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Liar, lunatic, or lord by prayfor2 free listening on. Nov 01, 2000 liar, lunatic or lord hardcover november 1, 2000 by dennis harris author 4. Lord, liar, lunatic, or when it comes to his argument that jesus must necessarily be the lord, there are other possibilities which lewis does not effectively eliminate. If he was a liar or a lunatic, then he cant qualify as a great moral teacher. Peter kreeft and ronald tacelli, sj, both professors of philosophy at boston college, have also expanded the argument into a tetralemma lord, liar, lunatic or legend or a pentalemma, accommodating the option that jesus was a guru, who believed himself to be god in the sense that everything is divine. Mar 19, 2020 some 1900 years later, cs lewis, in his book mere christianity, gave a new take on st. Some also refer to this argument as the mad, bad, or god view. In other words, the argument implies that if you find it difficult to call jesus a liar or a lunatic, you are being led, therefore, to see him as lord. Write truth on the back of the one with lord already written on it. People of faith just demean themselves by attempting to find logical proofs, if religion could be proved, faith would be unnecessary. Even a number of theologians have pointed out that the liar, lunatic or lord argument is unsound. I first read it in watchman nees normal christian faith my sophomore year in high school, which predates mere christianity by a few years.

Lewis, though the argument predates him by about a century. Lord, liar, or lunatic by martin cothran memoria press. Giving you solid reasons to believe is a huge reason god gave you his book. Bishops letters and the case for the defence lunatic. And if he was a great moral teacher, then he is much more as well he is either a liar, a lunatic, or the lord god. Aug 22, 2018 for this reason, lewis argued that jesus was one of three options. Lewis quote on jesus as liar, lunatic, or lord from. And so the choices are liar, lunatic, lord, or legend. The world will tell you that jesus christ was a good teachera noble moral leader, but nothing more.

Consider the lord, liar, lunatic logic tree that deduces jesus could not have been a prophet, a sage or even a clever politician. The problem with liar, lunatic, or lord the bart ehrman blog. Lewis argument for jesus being christknown as lord, liar, or lunatic is an argument thats riddled with flaws and fallacies. Lewis who said that jesus is either liar, lunatic or lord. This shortened version of the argument liar, lunatic or lord included another two nonchristian hypotheses, exaggeration or legend, in. My goal is to cover the entire book by easter sunday. The argument that is unconvincing and without merit, in my opinion, is that jesus was either a liar, a lunatic, a legend, or god incarnate, and legend can be ruled out, so were back to the trilemma liar, lunatic, or lord. He would either be a lunaticon the level with a man who says he is a poached eggor he would be the devil of hell. It means that when jesus said that if we did not trust in him, if we do not trust in his sacrifice and his death, and follow his way, we would end up in a. Lewis and presented over bbc radio and later in his seminal work mere christianity back in the 1940s. Lewis then said, one of three things is true and you will remember this. Please enter your name, your email and your question regarding the product in the fields below, and well answer you in the next 2448 hours.

The liar, lunatic, lord trilemma is typically attributed to c. Two of the most obvious examples are that perhaps jesus was simply mistaken and that perhaps we dont have an accurate record of what he truly said if, indeed, he even. This was the argument that lewis used to prove the divinity of jesus christ. I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about him. The lord, liar, lunatic argument didnt originate with c. Those who respond to this argument by writing jesus off as either a liar or a lunatic are, for all that has been said so far, just as reasonable as those who respond by accepting jesus as lord. Dec 28, 2010 an excerpt from the book mere christianity by c. As john wrote, these are written so that you may believe that jesus is the messiah, the son of god, and that by believing in him you will have life john 20. Practice leading this activity with energy and enthusiasm. Mere christianity liar, lunatic, or lord youversion event. Lewis trilemma is a popular argument among christians, though skeptics have pointed out, and i think rightly, that lewis left off at least one possible category legend. Lewis makes this statement, a man who was merely a man and said the sort of things jesus said would not be a great moral teacher.

Theyll heap flattering laurels and accolades on him, calling him a. Im ready to accept jesus as a great moral teacher, but i. The course begins next week on february 21, and will run for four consecutive wednesday nights beginning each week at 8pm eastern. This argument has occasioned a good deal of discussion, with major thinkers and biographers lining up on.

But this argument is unsound, because the first premise is false, because theres another option he was a legend and didnt really say these things after all. Lewis, but the argument has a long history with many reference points in christian teaching. It helps to make a simple sketch as you go for this one. The gospel of john as the greatest evidence for or against jesus claim to be i am who i am.

The trilemma argument, popularized by christian writer c. Not a liar, not a lunatic, but the lord since jesus identified himself as the unique son of god, there are only two alternatives. Johns gospel, especially the i am sayings there is a fourth alternative. Lewis, he defends christianity by building a logical foundation for belief and constructing an entire. He also briefly traced it back to the sixteenth century. This sermon was delivered at portadown baptist church in portadown, northern ireland, by pastor david legge. In this book, tripp fuller examines the historical jesus, the development of the doctrine of christ, the questions that drove christological innovations through church history, contemporary constructive proposals, and the predicament of belief for. Its rather absurd to identify a firstcentury homeless jew as god revealed, but a bunch of us do anyway. This argument has occasioned a good deal of discussion, with major thinkers and biographers lining up on either side of the question of its validity. The jesus of the bible may not be a liar or a lunatic or a lord but rather a legend. Lewis quote on jesus as liar, lunatic, or lord from mere. The gospels do not depict him as a liar or a lunatic, so he must be the lord.

Lewis was an oxford medieval literature scholar, popular writer, christian apologist, and former atheist. If he knows he is not god and still teaches he is, then he is lying, and that, of course, makes him a liar. I cannot personally conclude that jesus was a liar or a lunatic. Lewis, following in the train of those who preceded him, argued along these lines. If he was so great and so moral, then what do you do with his claim to be god. Is jesus christ a legend, lunatic, liar, or lord and god. Im ready to accept jesus as a great moral teacher, but i dont accept his claim to be god. Liar, lunatic, or lord by prayfor2 published on 20200210t16. Lord, liar, lunatic illustration next steps when youre sharing the gospel its pretty important that you be able to make a compelling case that jesus is god. The leaders thought he must be a liar or a lunatic. Either the eucharist is his body, blood, soul, and divinity or its a lie from the lips of jesus. And so there is an easy response to the false conclusion that because jesus called himself god, he must be a liar, a lunatic, or the lord. If he was nota liar, and he was not a luatic, then there is only one other possibility he is jesus christ a liar. I said, well, either he was crazy or he was a liar or he was telling the truth.

He thinks its good newsgood news about a god who is so invested in the world that god refuses to be god without us. The idea that jesus called himself god is not historical. This argument for the authenticity of jesus divinity has been used by many christians, but it was perhaps most notably used by c. Okay, starting with the book of matthew, chapter 19. The only other alternative is that he wasand isthe christ, the son of god, as he claimed. Some 1900 years later, cs lewis, in his book mere christianity, gave a new take on st. More than a carpenter esv, pack of 25 tracts 9781682161739 by josh mcdowell. The lord portion of the liar, lunatic or lord argument is a condensed expression of a very extraordinary claim. Chesterton used something similar to the trilemma in his book, the everlasting man 1925, which lewis cited in 1962 as the second book that most influenced him. Lewis, an englishman, the lord, liar, lunatic logic tree shows that jesus could have been only the lord or a liar or a lunatic. Mere christianity liar, lunatic, or lord in mere christianity by c. Lewis, usually referring to the words ascribed to jesus in s. Book of ruth excellent article from the gospel coalition on why christians should not marry an unbeliever by kathy keller. Here is the schematic diagram of the lord, liar, lunatic logic tree.

Lewis has made famous the trilemma that jesus must either be a lunatic, a liar, or the lord of all in his book called mere christianity. Marks spells out these categories for us in his gospel today. Liar, lunatic, lord, legend or monster or all of them or none, there is no proof of anything, all have existed in every age and always will. Lewis, he defends christianity by building a logical foundation for belief and constructing an entire theology upon that foundation. He is out of his mind let me remind you what we are doing. So who do you think christ isliar, lunatic, or lord. Introducing the bible story open your bible to the book of john. But in spite of the logic and evidence, many people cannot seem to bring themselves to this conclusion. Probably one of the most commonly used arguments for the deity of jesus is the lord, liar, lunatic trilemma. We are in a sermon series that is taking us through the gospel of mark. Lewis formulated the argument as a trilemma, which is often referred to as the liar, lunatic, or lord argument.

You have a problem of sin, it means that that is true. Liar, lunatic, lord, also known as lewiss trilemma, is a christian argument commonly attributed to c. Next, he briefly noted that there is a fourth possibility legend though he also noted that there is ample evidence to rebut that claim. This is a gospel audio sermon and transcript entitled liar, lunatic or lord. Theyll heap flattering laurels and accolades on him, calling him a religious revolutionary who ch. The history of the liar, lunatic, lord trilemma conversant. In other words, the jesus of the bible is not the jesus of history, so your claims about what must be trust about the jesus of the bible do not lead to conclusions about the actual lordship of the jesus of history. This may be a guide to jesus, but for christians, fuller is guiding us toward a deeper understanding of god. It can be succinctly presented as, jesus was either a liar, a lunatic, or the lord.

It was transcribed from the tape, titled liar, lunatic or lord. He said, he is either a lunatic, on the level of somebody who thinks hes a poached egg. The liar, lunatic or lord argument attempts to present a case through process of elimination of all other options, that jesus christ must have been god. Lewis quote on jesus as liar, lunatic, or lord from mere christianity i am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about him that is, christ. A quote from mere christianity meet your next favorite book. Mar 21, 2018 the trilemma argument, popularized by christian writer c. Utilitarianism is belief that the morality of a behavior is based upon the consequences of the act whether or not the act maximizes overall happiness. Lord liar lunatic was jesus the lord, a liar, or a lunatic.

Lewiss infamous liar, lunatic, and lord scheme is no longer intellectually tenable. Lord, liar, or lunatic memoria press posted on june 6, 2019 by martin cothran some of the most interesting things to study when it comes to logic are the arguments for the existence of god. In recent times, however, the argument has been complicated by the fact that some add a fourth possibility. I first read it in watchman nees normal christian faith my sophomore year in high school, which predates mere christianity by a. Based on josh mcdowells bestselling book, this tract introduces that jesus must either be a liar, lunatic or lord. Wallace, whos written such great books as cold case christianity, gods crime scene, and forensic faith, is offering an exclusive fourday online short course called jesus. Lewis wrote in mere christianity that jesus was either lord, a lunatic, or the devil of hell. This argument is an attack only on the view that jesus was a great teacher but not god.